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[Police] reforms are basically a rebranding of violence, rebranding of the same kind of operations that have been there forever that we are fighting for, whether it's predictive policing, whether it's border controls. Reforms are presented as trying to do things a little differently, but the fundamentals always remain: the fundamentals of predictive policing in place remains, the fundamentals of biometric data collection remains, the fundamentals of border control and how flow of migrants is managed very much remains. In essence, reform becomes a sanitizing of violence with some language. And the language that gets used is that it's about transparency, it's about reporting, it’s about accountability.

This Is Hell! returns from Spring Break! Alec Karakatsanis and Hamid Khan join Chuck to discuss consulting and biometrics giant Accenture's quiet takeover of police reform in Los Angeles County, California.

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