[Police] reforms are basically a rebranding of violence, rebranding of the same kind of operations that have been there forever that we are fighting for, whether it's predictive policing, whether it's border controls. Reforms are presented as trying to do things a little differently, but the fundamentals always remain: the fundamentals of predictive policing in place remains, the fundamentals of biometric data collection remains, the fundamentals of border control and how flow of migrants is managed very much remains. In essence, reform becomes a sanitizing of violence with some language. And the language that gets used is that it's about transparency, it's about reporting, it’s about accountability.

This Is Hell! returns from Spring Break! Alec Karakatsanis and Hamid Khan join Chuck to discuss consulting and biometrics giant Accenture's quiet takeover of police reform in Los Angeles County, California.

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Guest

Alec Karakatsanis

@equalityAlec

Alec is the Founder of Civil Rights Corps. Before founding Civil Rights Corps, Alec was a civil rights lawyer and public defender with the Special Litigation Division of the Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia; a federal public defender in Alabama, representing impoverished people accused of federal crimes; and co-founder of the non-profit organization Equal Justice Under Law.

Guest

Hamid Khan

Hamid Khan is an organizer with the Stop LAPD Spying Coalition. The mission of the coalition is to build community-based power to dismantle police surveillance, spying, and infiltration programs. The coalition utilizes multiple campaigns to advance an innovative organizing model that is Los Angeles-based but has implications regionally, nationally, and internationally.

Accenture Is Taking Over Police Reform in LA County / Alec Karakatsanis & Hamid Khan

Alec Karakatsanis

Hamid Khan