While Chuck is away for the next two weeks in Northern Michigan on the annual family vacation, producer Will Ippen is holding down the fort. This episode features the first of six This is Hell! interviews with prolific historian and listener favorite Gerald Horne. This interview features a discussion of the roots of white supremacy in 17th century settler colonialism in North America as revealed in Horne's 2018 book The Apocalypse of Settler Colonialism: The Apocalypse of Settler Colonialism: The Roots of Slavery, White Supremacy, and Capitalism in 17th Century North America and the Caribbean.

Gerald Horne is the John J. and Rebecca Moores Chair of History and African American Studies at the University of Houston. He is the author of more than thirty books and one hundred scholarly articles and reviews that document the history of racism as it intersects with labor, civil rights, politics, international relations, and war.