You have really open minded medical professionals, psychiatrists, doctors, who absolutely want to use [ketamine] to help people and are studying the best ways to do that. They're doing that in the more conventional ways, writing peer reviewed papers in the literature and in less conventional ways, just thinking how can we step outside of the medical industrial complex and use these substances to help people heal, and maybe even redefine what healing is so that it's not this symptom-based thing.